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[原创] 俄罗斯军事评论员评中国四代机

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俄罗斯军事评论员评中国四代机

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ssTory(2011-1-8 20:33): JX兄此文还是以转帖为主啊...可以加入军友俱乐部,以俱乐部讨论的形式开帖.
原创翻译+首发,别剽窃,也别说我剽窃。顾及本人与国人阅读习惯,原文称呼第五代机一律用四代机代替。

俄国RIA军事评论员Ilya Kramnik

全世界的军事专家与爱好者都在研究有关中国四代J20流出的照片,J20被认为是拿来与美国F-22与俄国T50相抗衡的战机,但中国真的准备大规模生产这种J20了吗,这种原型机的水平究竟如何。

某些专家认为J20就是F-22与T50的混血儿,但那是将问题看得太简单了。中国的J20并不是简单克隆F-22与T50,中国人一直想设立除了美国和苏联之外的第三种风格,而这种努力长期得到了我们俄国的帮助。中国的四代机的未来将取决于以下几点

发动机:现在还不确定中国四代机将采用什么样的发动机,某些消息来源推测它将使用中国国产的WS15,其推力有1万8千磅,但这种发动机还在研究中。中国直到现在还没能力仿制我国可靠的80年代水平的SU-27的发动机。这些发动机在俄国生产,然后被运去中国来组装SU-27。(JX注释:中国曾被授权生产SU-27,中国编号为J-11A,数量为100架)我国的AL-31F发动机也被装在中国制的J-10战机上,中国自己研制的类似发动机WS10,可靠性并不如AL-31F。

材料:四代机需要能吸收雷达波的复合材料,但中国并没有能大规模生产这些材料的能力。有些专家质疑中国能否为其空军生产这么多的所需要的材料。

电子设备:四代的电子设备,譬如说雷达,中国在世界上处于的水平大概与其发动机水平一样。中国在这方面还不如我们俄国、美国与西方的水平。虽然中国已经缩窄了与我们的差距,但仍然有待提高。中国国内现在最好的雷达是我们卖给它的SU-30MKK上的雷达,中国人现在依然很想仿制这些设计。现在仍然不清楚中国四代机上的雷达与欧美还有我们国家的雷达有多大差别。

武器:现在中国空军使用的制导武器大部分是美国以色列以及我们俄国60年代到80年代产品的仿制品。虽然中国已经在这方面花费大量的时间与精力追赶,而且能从某些渠道获得外国原型产品进行仿制,但外国军火商对这种事情已经越来越谨慎,不想和中国分享其最新的成果。

总而言之,从上世纪70年代开始,中国与世界水平的差距是15-20年,三代机面世的时间如是,四代机面世的时间也如是。以J20为例,其面世时间比美国的YF-22晚了20年,比我们俄国的米格1.44晚了17年,比我们俄国的S37晚了14年(JX注:米格1.44和S37这俩废柴也好意思说是四代?连欧洲双风都比不过的废柴而已)。假如中国接受J20的设计,那它会在10年内投产。假如这种设计不行,那投产的时间会变成15-20年。没人知道未来会如何,下定论现在还为时过早。按照过往惯例,中国的类似战机将比欧洲产品便宜5成以上。中美 中东 南亚 非洲等都是中国战机的出口地。假如四代机出口,那它将能兼容美俄的武器,但在未来二三十年,中国将继续寻求从外国引进航空科技。虽然中国现在航空科技的进步是一日千里,但与世界领先水平的差距几乎没有缩小过。

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因为SIS不准贴连接,所以请各位自己上去RIA Novosti找原文。文章全名:The future of China's fifth-generation stealth fighter
不可否认里面某些观点颇中肯,但也有某些观点完全与事实不符,充满着一种莫名其妙的东斯拉夫民族优越感。从文中可见毛子那种自大狂妄的情绪表露无遗,如中国最好的雷达是SU-30MKK的之类,有上CD飞扬的都知道这种说法可靠否。
记得这里有人发过文章叫《俄罗斯,他们有资格做一个盟友》,我想对那个作者说的是———你想认人家做盟友,怎么不想想人家肯认你不?
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其实中国的四代就好比一件东西,从不同的角度去看会有不同的感悟。问题是俄罗斯的感悟恰好说明他对中国的态度。
相对与巴基斯坦论坛的狂喜,西方论坛的中立,来自俄国的观点更多是不屑与批评。
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原帖由 innenarchi 于 2011-1-8 19:54 发表
这些不确切的评论没有太多的参考价值

我想,妄自猜测还不如关注有价值的新闻事实,比如“东芝事件”,比如莱茵金属公司的三名中国雇员的回国,比如南联盟打下美军的F117,等等。

这些新闻的背后,才会隐含真正 ...
新闻么,你觉得还能有啥“参考价值”。
至于你所说的那些新闻事实,除了东芝机床可以被证实,其他两样都是止于传闻。

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不是吧,有人已经翻译过此文?
昨天上的小巴论坛转去毛子论坛看到此文才临时起意翻译
我可不会将别人东西拿来当自己的。

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原文

21:06 29/12/2010© RIA Novosti. Maria Chapligina
RIA Novosti military commentator Ilya Kramnik

Both experts and amateurs who have studied the blurred photos of an unfamiliar fighter jet on a runway in China (http://china-defense.blogspot.co ... -sight-curious.html) have concluded that Beijing has started testing its fifth-generation stealth fighter.
The J-20 prototype is expected to rival the U.S. F-22 and the Russian T-50 fighters. But is China ready to start mass-producing the aircraft? How good is the prototype?
Experts call it a combination of the Russian and U.S. fifth-generation fighters, but that greatly simplifies matters. In the last 20 years, China has been working closely with Russia to develop a modern fighter jet. But the J-20 is not simply a copy of a Russian design. Rather China has tried to build a completely new aircraft based on the technology and knowledge it has gained during its years of cooperation with Russia.
The future of the new Chinese fighter will depend on several factors.
Engine
It is not clear what kind of engine the plane will have. Some say it will use the prospective Chinese-made WS-15 engine with a maximum thrust exceeding 18,000 kg, but the engine is still in the pipeline.
China has been unable to reproduce Russia's highly efficient high-temperature turbofan AL-31F engine, designed in the early 1980s and currently mounted on the Su-27 fighter and its modifications. The engines for Sukhoi planes manufactured in China are made in Russia and then assembled and adjusted in China.
The AL-31F engine is also mounted on China's J-10 fighter planes. The engine's Chinese analogue, the WS-10, is less efficient than the Russian prototype.
Materials
A fifth-generation stealth fighter must be able to evade radar, and so it must be made from modern composite materials. However, China does not produce such materials in commercial amounts, and experts doubt that it can develop and produce them for its Air Force.
Electronics
Electronic equipment, primarily radar, in China stands at approximately the same level as its engines. Chinese designs fall short of the capabilities of their Russian, European and American counterparts. Although China has been gradually narrowing the gap, it still has to import modern electronic equipment for its aircraft.
The best aircraft radar systems are currently made for Russia's Su-30MKK fighters, and China will most likely copy this design. It is not clear how much it will differ in terms of specifications from next-generation Russian or American radar systems.
Weapons
The guided weapons used in the Chinese Air Force were mostly copied from U.S., Israeli and Russian prototypes made in the 1960s through 1980s. China will have to spend a great deal of time and effort to develop its own weapons, even if it borrows elements of prototypes bought from other countries. But foreign producers are becoming increasingly wary of sharing their next-generation technology with China.
Conclusions
Since the 1970s, China has consistently lagged 15 to 20 years behind the world leaders in aircraft manufacturing. This was true of their third- and fourth-generation aircraft, and this appears to be the case with its fifth-generation fighter plane.
The J-20 fighter was produced nearly 20 year after the U.S. YF-22 (the prototype of the mass-produced F-22A), 17 years after the Russian MiG-1.44 (MiG-MFI, or Multifunctional Frontline Fighter), and 14 after Russia's S.37 (Su-47).
If the J-20 is accepted as the prototype for a new series, China will be able to produce a fifth-generation fighter plane within 10 years. If not, it will begin batch production no sooner than 15 or 20 years from now.
No one knows for sure what will happen, but it's certainly not too early to make predictions about the future of the new plane.
Given its traditional policy of aircraft manufacturing, China will most likely create a functional analogue of foreign-made 5G planes that will cost 50% to 80% less than Russian and U.S. models. China will most likely sell the plane in Central Asia, the Middle East, Latin America and Southeast Asia, as well as to the richest African countries.
The export models of the J-20 and the planes of that series made for the Chinese Air Force will have foreign, including Russian, equipment and weapons. Moreover, in the next 20 to 30 years China will have to continue to import modern aircraft technology. Despite the strides made by China's aircraft designers in the last 20 years, China has only slightly narrowed the technological gap dividing it from the global leaders.
The views expressed in this article are the author's and do not necessarily represent those of RIA Novosti.

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